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post #21 of 38 (permalink) Old 11-08-2007, 02:13 PM Thread Starter
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Is this a good trade? Only time will tell. Don't forget the Phillies are another NLC team. We might have to face Lidge next season. At least we know how he pitches.

And we can kiss Luke Scott goodbye (if only I could ). He'll be in the next trade we hear about.

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DSF, I think the Cheesesteaks are in the NL East if I'm not mistaken. Lidge is going to be pitching once again in a hitters park too. Ouch.
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post #22 of 38 (permalink) Old 11-08-2007, 02:16 PM
 
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Zero backup infielders right now and you say Cody Ransom. Is that your final answer?

Lidge had great numbers this past season as a reliever. Qualls and/or Sarfate didn't exactly put too much time in as a closer so we can't really compare who was better. If you want to go that route though, you are making my point in that we still don't have a good closer.

Do the booties look any better in HDTV?
Ransom's not the answer. The deals have only begun. Our closer status is no better now than before Lidge was traded.

Everything looks better in HD.
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Zero backup infielders right now and you say Cody Ransom. Is that your final answer?
It's a suggestion, not an answer. My point is, we've got guys in the minors that can fill the utility role... plus, if they resign Loretta, Burke may be one of the utilities off the bench... though that's not saying much.

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Lidge had great numbers this past season as a reliever. Qualls and/or Sarfate didn't exactly put too much time in as a closer so we can't really compare who was better. If you want to go that route though, you are making my point in that we still don't have a good closer.
My point is, we didn't have a good closer before the trade either, so it's the same unanswered question, but in the meantime, we let go of a good reliever (he was "light's out" as a late inning reliever) and great utility man, for a good reliever, a speedy outfielder (majority of what I've read from Phillies fans is that they're PO'd about losing Bourn), and a good 3rd base prospect.

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Do the booties look any better in HDTV?
My Sissy will have to answer, as I don't have HD.
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DSF, I think the Cheesesteaks are in the NL East if I'm not mistaken. Lidge is going to be pitching once again in a hitters park too. Ouch.
You're right. I was confusing them with Cinci (they're both red ). Still, it's a NL team.
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My Sissy will have to answer, as I don't have HD.
Already answered above. HD's better than analog but nothing beats being there.
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post #26 of 38 (permalink) Old 11-08-2007, 04:16 PM
 
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It seems like Wade should've been able to get more for Lidge then he did.

Despite Lidge's well-documented struggles, he still has electric stuff at times and is entering the prime of his career.

Hopefully Bourn can step in and provide the Astros with the outfield speed they were sorely lacking last season.
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It's a suggestion, not an answer. My point is, we've got guys in the minors that can fill the utility role... plus, if they resign Loretta, Burke may be one of the utilities off the bench... though that's not saying much.
We had a deep bench and now we don't have one at all except for booty boy as the 4th in the OF. I don't know that someone on the farm will be able to fill the Super utility role of coming in cold and getting clutch hits not to mention play any position that is needed.
Sure there are a lot of "ifs" but I was talking about what is going on now and hoping Wade feels confident that he can plug those 2 holes that he just created. "If" we can sign Lamb or Loretta and "if" they are willing to come back and "if" Burke (who by the way says he needs consistent ABs to hit well) can come off the bench affectively.

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My point is, we didn't have a good closer before the trade either, so it's the same unanswered question, but in the meantime, we let go of a good reliever (he was "light's out" as a late inning reliever) and great utility man, for a good reliever, a speedy outfielder (majority of what I've read from Phillies fans is that they're PO'd about losing Bourn), and a good 3rd base prospect.
As far as that portion of the trade we substituted an average middle reliever for a great middle reliever.
With Lidge you knew that he was an option to close out games. He may have struggled at times in that role but he could still do it. We don't have your boy anymore in the pen so with that portion of the trade we pretty much took a hit. We have 0 closers.

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My Sissy will have to answer, as I don't have HD.
I'm very jealous of you DSF! What time am I coming over and what snacks and beverages shall I supply.
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We had a deep bench and now we don't have one at all except for booty boy as the 4th in the OF. I don't know that someone on the farm will be able to fill the Super utility role of coming in cold and getting clutch hits not to mention play any position that is needed.
Sure there are a lot of "ifs" but I was talking about what is going on now and hoping Wade feels confident that he can plug those 2 holes that he just created. "If" we can sign Lamb or Loretta and "if" they are willing to come back and "if" Burke (who by the way says he needs consistent ABs to hit well) can come off the bench affectively.
"Booty Boy" is very unreliable off the bench. I hope he's traded if that's all he'll be used for next year.

Do you need a deep bench if you have solid "pitching, defense, and speed"?

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I'm very jealous of you DSF! What time am I coming over and what snacks and beverages shall I supply.
Do you live in the Dallas area? HD is amazing. I never loved watching TV before I got a HDTV. But it doesn't make me want to watch football.
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Despite Lidge's well-documented struggles, he still has electric stuff at times and is entering the prime of his career.
Electric stuff is no good if you can't close the game. It's all fine and good to strike out 2 on sliders for called strikes, but if you walk the next one or two, then give up a homerun, it's for naught. Anyone in the bullpen could have had the same save to blown-save ratio that Lidge had last year (I think Wheels actually did).

He may be entering his prime and he may end up working out whatever his problems are, but all we've seen for the last 2 years is an over-paid late inning reliever. Time to move on.
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(majority of what I've read from Phillies fans is that they're PO'd about losing Bourn),
You know Z, that is a smart thing to do. To go and find out what the other team is saying about losing Bourn. You are a pretty smart lady!
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