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post #1 of 5 (permalink) Old 08-08-2012, 05:48 PM Thread Starter
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What would your Hall of Fame Ballot in 2013 look like?

You can vote for up to 10 people, who would you vote for? First, here are the returning members.

Jack Morris
Jeff Bagwell
Lee Smith
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
Edgar Martínez
Fred McGriff
Larry Walker
Mark McGwire
Don Mattingly
Dale Murphy
Rafael Palmeiro
Bernie Williams

The big six names that are new to the ballot next year:

Barry Bonds
Roger Clemens
Sammy Sosa
Craig Biggio
Mike Piazza
Curt Schilling

Also, other first timers include:

Antonio Alfonseca, Sandy Alomar Jr., Tony Batista, Mark Bellhorn, Hector Carrasco, Alberto Castillo, Jeff Cirillo, Royce Clayton, Jeff Conine, Rheal Cormier, Juan Encarnacion, Robert Fick, Steve Finley, Julio Franco, Shawn Green, Roberto Hernández, Ryan Klesko, Steve Kline, Ricky Ledee, Mike Lieberthal, Kenny Lofton, John Mabry, Tom Martin, Jose Mesa, Damian Miller, Doug Mirabelli, Mike Myers, Orlando Palmeiro, Neifi Perez, Desi Relaford, Reggie Sanders, Aaron Sele, Paul Shuey, Scott Spiezio, Mike Stanton, Kelly Stinnett, John Thomson, Jose Valentin, Todd Walker, John Wasdin, David Wells, Rick White, Rondell White, Bob Wickman, Woody Williams, Preston Wilson, Jay Witasick, and Jaret Wright.

If I could vote, my ballot would look like this:

#1 Jeff Bagwell. Is there any reason Bagwell has not been enshrined? If he did steroids, wouldn't we have known by now? Why wasn't he mentioned in the Mitchell Report? Why wasn't he one of Jose Canseco's names? There is no evidence against him whatsoever.

What is even more amazing is that people would keep Bagwell out even if he was clean. So they would be saying no to a man, who, in my opinion, is the 5th greatest first baseman ever after Lou Gehrig, Jimmie Foxx, Dan Brouthers and Albert Pujols.

The man played all those years in the Astrodome. He has a career .408 OBP and is the only first baseman with 400 home runs and 200 steals. His 79.9 career WAR is top 40 all time. He should've been elected first ballot in 2011.

#2 Tim Raines. Who was #1 on MLB Network's top 40 players not in the Hall of Fame? The underrated "Rock" Raines. Often considered only second to Rickey Henderson as the greatest leadoff man in history. He had a very impressive 66.2 career WAR and stole a lot of bases and created a lot of runs. He too should've been elected first ballot in 2008 with Goose Gossage.

#3 Alan Trammell. I would honestly take Barry Larkin over Alan Trammell but by all means he should be in. I would put players from the 1984 Tigers in Cooperstown: Alan Trammell, Lou Whitaker and Darrell Evans.

Top 5 OPS+ seasons: 155, 138, 138, 136 and 130. For a shortstop, that is really good. He brought it with both the bat and the glove. He had an incredible 1987 season that some may say he was robbed of the MVP.

#4 Fred McGriff. It's hard to tell between Bagwell and McGriff who got a more raw deal during the steroid era. McGriff has always been presumed clean. He fell just 7 home runs short of 500. Any other era and I am inclined to think both men would be in now. It seems like the only clean sluggers during the steroid era who are consensus to go in are Frank Thomas, Ken Griffey Jr. and Jim Thome.

Top 5 OPS+ seasons: 165, 157, 157, 153 and 147.

It's easy to get overshadowed during the steroid era. Sadly McGriff was one of them.

#5 Edgar Martinez. To quote: "Edgar Martinez, Ted Williams, Babe Ruth, Stan Musial, Rogers Hornsby, and Lou Gehrig are the only players in history with 300 home runs, 500 doubles, a career batting average higher than .300, and a career on-base percentage higher than .400."

The greatest DH of all time belongs. It was because of injury in 1994 that Martinez became a full time DH in 1995. I would say that was a great idea.

#6 Craig Biggio. 3000 hits speak for themselves. The man cracked 287 win shares in the 1990s, second only to Barry Bonds and Bagwell was 4th in the decade. He could do it with both the bat and the glove.

#7 Mike Piazza. He's definitely a top 10 catcher of all time and maybe even top 5. He is perhaps the greatest offensive catcher ever. If you are top 5 to top 10 all time at your position, no doubt you should be in.

Top 5 OPS+ seasons: 185, 172, 166, 155, 153. He had 6 top 10 MVP finishes and 4 of them were in the top 5. I would put him in next year, no question.

#8 Curt Schilling. The last name on my ballot if I had one. I have heard so much stuff how he doesn't belong, which I clearly disagree. His record could be better, but then again it's not like Pedro Martinez won a lot of games compared to other pitchers either and he's going in first ballot.

He doesn't have the magical 300 wins but he does have 3000 strikeouts, every pitcher who has gotten 3000 strikeouts and been eligible to this point has gotten in. He was one of the most dominant pitchers in the league during the early 2000s. He was big in the 2001 Diamondbacks World Series winner and same for the Red Sox in 2004. The former of which he was co World Series MVP. He had 4 top 5 Cy Young finishes and he was finished #2 in 2001, 2002 and 2004. The fact that Schilling did not win in 2001 or 2002 is a testament to how amazing Randy Johnson was when Schilling clearly had Cy Young caliber seasons.

He was durable. He logged over 3000 innings with 83 complete games and no steroid cloud over him but one of the best pitchers in the game during the steroid era. He would absolutely go in and I think he should wear a Diamondbacks cap on his plaque.

I am on the fence with Larry Walker. His inclusion or exclusion doesn't bother me either way. I will need to examine him better.

If I could vote for the Hall of Fame, that is what my ballot would look like. How about yours?

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1. Mike Piazza

2. Edgar Martinez

3. Alan Tramell

4. Craig Biggio

5. Tim Raines

6. Curt Schilling

7. Jeff Bagwell

8. Jason Varitek (In 2017, according to Rizzo )

9. Don Mattingly (As a Player and a Coach)

10. Kenny Lofton

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Weird. Varitek isn't eligible until 2017. I'm not sure how he ended up in my post.
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I wouldn't pick 10. Here is who I would pick.

Piazza, E. Martinez, Bagwell, Biggio, Trammell,L. Smith.

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1. Piazza
2. Raines
3. Bagwell
4. Trammell
5. Biggio
6. Schilling
7. McGriff
8. Murphy
9. Morris

I also would't mind seeing Larry Walker get in as he was a first class hitter his entire career. Obviously his numbers are skewed, and his defense which was likely above average at one point fell off during his career. I would need to see some better research I guess. Bernie Williams might also not be a terrible choice. His numbers don't stand out mostly because he played in the steroid era, but he was a real winner. I guess I wouldn't mind Mattingly either, but I wouldn't vote for any of these guys right now.

I know that Edgar was really a great hitter, but WAR is [I]Inflated[I] because he didn't play much defense. Guys like Adam Dunn's numbers will reflect how bad of a fielder he was. Martinez's wont. I just really don't want to put full-time DH's into the HOF. And since Big Papi has PED issues, if Martinez goes in it doesn't look like a problem.

I chose Murphy because his prime was really exceptional and although he's a pretty marginal HOF he's a good baseball guy. Jack Morris looks better and better every year. With many of his contempories getting in lately, Maybe Morris gets in this year.
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