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Pedro Martinez 03-04-2011 11:30 AM

Your thoughts on the steroid era and HOF.
 
What are your thoughts on the players of this era and their association with steroids and how it affects their HOF eligibility?

I was watching this year's HOF announcements and was shocked to see that Rafael Palmeiro had just a few votes. This is a guy who had 3,000+ hits and 500+ HRs. My only conclusion was that he was being punished for being associated with steroids?

So now what? There were a TON of guys who put up great numbers in this era. How will voters decide who to vote in? Will they just go by their opinion and vote on whether they thought a specific player juiced or not? Maybe look at their career numbers and see if there was a dramatic change? How do the voters clean all this mess up because as stated before, there were a ton of players who put up amazing numbers in this era.

JustinVerlander35 03-04-2011 12:29 PM

There is no doubt what these people did in there careers was amazing. Clemens, Bonds, McGwire, but they used a PED that no one else used to help them. I do not feel that someone that used something that no one else used and gave them an advantage over everyone should be in the HoF. I would not to be walking through the Hall of Fame and go wow look at the Babe Ruth, Willie Mays, Mickey Mantle, Barry Bonds and then knowing that he took steroids and broke all those records not clean, and the guys next to him did it on hot dogs and beer. Do not get me wrong even if they did not take steroids they would of had great careers. Because you do have to have natural talent to do what they did, but they cheated so I do not want them in.

RoutineFlyBall 04-08-2011 07:04 AM

Put the roiders in a Hall of Shame! (kidding)
But what do you think about using something to mark them in the hall of fame that would put them in there, but also include history of their steroid use? I'm kind of on the fence here and it is a touchy subject.

Turboboy 04-10-2011 11:26 PM

So, we automatically believe the old timers denials of steroid use, although those substances have been around since the 30's? The absolute fact here, is that we'll never know for sure. Why are we so quick to believe the old timers and not the guys of today? Some of those guys invented cheating in baseball from stealing signals, doctoring the baseball and using illegal bats....among others. Why believe them now? They've proved beyond a doubt that they cheated in one form or another. Heck, Gaylord Perry got in the HOF and was notorious for scuffing balls and otherwise using illegal pitches. But, he's in. Hell, they didn't even need a test to verify a cheating player. So, if they were proven to be cheaters at one point or another, what's to say they weren't using PED's too? The fact is, we don't know and we never will. A better question to me would be; What if a few HOF players came forward and admitted to the use of PED's? What then? Remove them from the Hall, start digging up bodies and launch another multi-million dollar investigation?

I think much of the hatred for modern players is based on most teams payrolls. Today's guys are making more in a year than most of the HOF players made in their entire careers. You don't think that puts a target on their backs? You don't think jealousy eats up the media guys making crappy salaries writing stories about these multi-millionaires? You bet it does. America has a strange fetish these days of roasting their sports heroes. How sad it's become.

As for PED users getting in the HOF, I say let them in. Hell, let Pete Rose in too. Stop all these investigations and silly stories because in all honestly, these are the things that are ruining this game that we love.

Bautista is God 07-24-2011 12:29 PM

If someone comes up with a positive test than in my opinion they have cheated and there stats are altered in someway. That is why I believe if they have one offense against them they should not be considered for the HOF.

BustedDreams49 07-24-2011 02:26 PM

Every era of this game has a possible asterisk...

No Black Players, Steroids, Dead Balls have all been part of the game. I think the era must be compared to itself moreso than the history of the game. I personally like the old saying..."If you have to ask if a guy is a Hall of Famer, he isn't."

amooms99 10-23-2011 10:45 PM

I personally believe that steroid users should not be allowed into the Hall of Fame. It would not be fair to the players that never used performance enhancing drugs. Everyone in the Hall of Fame got there because of natural talent and hard work. Why should we start letting players in that were successful because of performance enhancing drugs now? The Hall of Fame has been around since the beginning of baseball. There is no reason to change the eligibility rules now. If players like Pete Rose are not allowed into the Hall of Fame, then steroid users should not be eligible either. I believe that steroids are contaminating Major League Baseball. Baseball is America's Pastime and America's Pastime should not have a bad image.

Players such as Alex Rodriguez, Barry Bonds, and Roger Clemens should not be allowed into the Hall of Fame. Their stats suggest that they should be first ballot inductees, but I do not want steroid users in the Hall of Fame. I would much rather have a player who never used performance enhancing drugs inducted, even if his stats were not quite as good. By not letting players that used steroids into the Hall of Fame, other players will see that using steroids has no benefits and will not use them. This would be a good way of slowing down the use of steroids. Most players want to make it to the Hall of Fame, so they definitely will not use them if they know that using steroids will deny them an induction into the Hall of Fame.

Os Fanatic 10-24-2011 02:48 PM

My feelings is that the players who tested positive cheated during their careers. If players like Shoeless Joe Jackson and Pete Rose who did nothing to enhance their records, but just gambled on the game, which I am not condoning in anyway dont get in than these players like McGwire, Canseco, Sosa, & Clemens should also not get in. This just proves how good players of that era like Cal Ripken Jr. and Griffey Jr. were.

Phightin Phillies 10-27-2011 08:56 PM

I read an article on the steroid era of the game and the writers were saying the only way a player should be held from the hall of fameis if they were recorded and caught to test positive for steroids.

Gabs 11-01-2011 03:37 PM

Players who used steroids either back during the steroid period or now are cheaters and should be banned from the game in my opinion.


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