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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 10-15-2007, 08:48 PM Thread Starter
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Quite frankly, many Major League Baseball players are destined for the Hall of Fame, so here's a few I think will go and why

Alex Rodriguez - Why not, has only played about 12 years and is now only 1 or 2 seasons away from reaching 600 round trippers, he's practically destined to break the all time home run record, plus plenty more on the way there

Manny Ramirez - Only has a few years left in his career and he is destined to reach the 500 club, which he'll reach most likely by next season, has made a huge mark on the game, and is a truly hardworking baseball player

Barry Bonds - In the 500-500 club, although I hate him and accuse him of taking steroids, he is still a spectacular player, and like it or not, will reach Cooperstown, unless of course he loses his homerun title from exposure to steroids

Albert Pujols - Only in his mid 20's, has at least 13 years left in his career, and he already has popped the halfway to 500 club mark, he's practically destined to reach the 500 club and break lots of records
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The only one that could have a problem getting in is Barry Bonds. The steroid controversy is going to surround him the rest of his life. His steroid controversy is going to be the same as Pete Rose's gambling. Barry is going to lie about it for a long time, but finally he will admit to it. All the others that you mentioned should have no problem getting in.



I'm not saying that Barry won't get in, I'm just saying that his chances are not mountainous.
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The only one that could have a problem getting in is Barry Bonds. The steroid controversy is going to surround him the rest of his life. His steroid controversy is going to be the same as Pete Rose's gambling. Barry is going to lie about it for a long time, but finally he will admit to it. All the others that you mentioned should have no problem getting in.



I'm not saying that Barry won't get in, I'm just saying that his chances are not mountainous.
Barry is not making it on the first ballot, you can take that to the bank. A federal indictment related to his steroid use and a lifetime of abusing the same sportswriters who vote for the HoF is going to come back to haunt him. He'll make it eventually, but this will be baseball's way of punishing him.

A few mortal locks for the hall that The Bronx didn't mention: Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Mariano Rivera, Greg Maddux, Derek Jeter, Craig Biggio, Pedro Martinez and Trevor Hoffman (among a few others.)
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Barry is not making it on the first ballot, you can take that to the bank. A federal indictment related to his steroid use and a lifetime of abusing the same sportswriters who vote for the HoF is going to come back to haunt him. He'll make it eventually, but this will be baseball's way of punishing him.

A few mortal locks for the hall that The Bronx didn't mention: Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Mariano Rivera, Greg Maddux, Derek Jeter, Craig Biggio, Pedro Martinez and Trevor Hoffman (among a few others.)
I would have agreed with this until the Mitchell Report... I feel that Clemens will fail to make it in on the first ballot and, in all likelihood, may never make it unless proven innocent beyond a reasonable doubt.

It's a shame, really, because Clemens' 'pre-HGH/steroids' numbers were Hall-worthy themselves (as were Bonds'). I am curious to see where these players' careers would have ended up without the juice...
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Just as the 500 HR barrier is becoming less meaningful, and is no longer an automatic bid to Cooperstown...I'm curious to see what happens to future pitchers and the 300 wins plateau. After Glavine and Johnson (maybe), it will no longer be reached. Now Pedro Martinez is a surefire HOFer, and he's not near 300 wins. SO, I suppose the only way future pitchers will get into the Hall is by totally dominating (look at Pedro's numbers) while pitching 5-6 innings. No longer will pitchers be able to accumulate stats (Niekro, Sutton, etc).
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There are many younger players who do not have a lot of MLB experience that I think if they continue to perform at the level they currently re will make it. These players include:

Ryan Howard
Chase Utley
Ryan Braun
Prince Fielder
Cole Hamels
C.C. Sabathia
Tim Lincecum
Carl Crawford
Scott Kazmir
Evan Longoria
Shane Victorino
and some others


I do know these guys don't have a lot of experience. I am basing this on the stats they have accumulated so far.
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Victorino? Really? REALLY?

Utley, Hamels, Sabathia, Lincecum, Kazmir, and Longoria have the best chances, if they continue their career paths - Utley and Longoria are at weak positions, and pitchers that reach certain levels remain as relative locks. Braun will need to up his BA and OBP, and win a few awards - LF isn't exactly a premiere position. Carl Crawford has nothing going fo him - he's a bit better than Juan Pierre, but that really isn't saying too much. Howard needs to get his average up - other than that, he'll be fine. Fielder needs to put down the fork, and improve a bit around the board. And Victorino... a .280 hitter with a little power and little plate discipline... come on.
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If he performs a full season the way he did in the playoffs he could be an MVP candidate. He is showing signs of imrpovement and the Hall is not always about HR hitters. Crawford will get in one day because he is usually above levels in most categories.


And Domenic I think it is very funny how everything I say is posted back on by you and you never have anything good to say. This is not a forum for one-upmanship. We are all baseball fans that have their opinions, and can make an argue for them.
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I pointed out that everyone, EVERYONE except for Victorino and Crawford had their shots - do you not want discussion?

Victorino hit .269 in the playoffs, with 2 HR, 13 RBI, and 3 SB. Those are solid numbers, but, over a full season, it projects to 16 HR, 104 RBI, and 24 SB - do you consider a player like Bobby Abreu a Hall of Famer? Also, consider that Abreu hits for a much higher average, and draws many more walks.

Shane Victorino and Carl Crawford, as of now, are poised to have Tim Raines-lite like careers. Tim Raines was great, and I think he has a very strong argument for the Hall of Fame - yet he has not made it, and has not solicited a great deal of support. Pragmatism dictates that, players with comparable but slightly worse careers, are not likely to make the Hall of Fame.

I apologize if you do not want discussion when you post lists. I welcome everyone to point out holes in my argument - I really do. I am not always right, nor am I always unbiased. However, I try my best to be pragmatic, and I try to back up everything with comparisons.
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Victorino will only get better. Abreu should be in the Hall.
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