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post #11 of 29 (permalink) Old 11-06-2008, 12:39 PM
 
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So you think Victorino will be an Abreu-like player, then?

That's fine. I think Abreu has a fine case for the Hall of Fame... I think he is slightly borderline, but I could make a good argument for his being in.
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post #12 of 29 (permalink) Old 11-06-2008, 01:02 PM
 
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Yes, I think he will develop the same power as Abreu had in his full glory. He will also have more stolen bases.
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For the whole Shane Victorino topic....It would be a long-shot for him getting in, I'll tell you that much. He needs improvement to become HOF Caliber but he has plenty of time ahead of him to turn the likeliness into his favor.

Who do I think will get in?

Ryan Howard- This guy's a monster at the plate. Though his average is lacking, if he plays for a long time, his stats will add up. If he plays for 15 years, and keeps going at the rate he's going, he'll hit over 650 HRs, and knock in almost 1900 RBIs. Over his career, he's been staying around 50 HRs each season, and that's very impressive, though over time, him Home Run seasonal totals will drop to 45 and 40 each season, but he'll still stay around the general area of the upper 600s. That is VERY impressive over a 15 year span. VERY Amazing stuff. Still, I think this guy has the credentials, but its all up to how the voters think of him.

Jamie Moyer- Now Moyer is a longshot, but is still a somewhat good choice, though I doubt he'll get in anytime near the 1st ballot. The guy's still pitching well at Age 45 (Now 46) and will be pitching for Philadelphia through 47. That brings in some time to increase his totals a bit more. His ERA is high for major liking, 4.19, but Moyer definitely has 2 more years left, and could bring it down to the high 3s. He's got a good 2250 Ks, which could go as high as 2500 when he retires, which is pretty decent. He is also 60 games above 500 (246-185), which is excellent. He managed to go 16-7, the best of the Phillies squad. Lets say he goes 16-7 over the next 2 years, and retires. That would make him 278-199, for an all-time record of .583, which continues his impressive totals. Even though Moyer isn't the candidate you would think of immediately for a ticket to the Hall of Fame, I think he'll get it, even if it takes 15 ballots.

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2008 World Series- Phillies over Rays- RESULT: CORRECT
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ummm Moyer would need a 2.25 ERA for two more full seasons to get his career ERA down to 4.00. A definite no to him, and unless Victorino (seriously?) turns into Willie Mays overnight, a definite no to him also.

and as far as Phillies hitters go (which for some reason is the theme of this thread), Bobby Abreu is close but not a HOFer IMO. Howard and Utley have a shot but that's all that can be said for them this early in their careers.
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Another fantastic player is Cole Hamels.

...I know its a bit early to be talking about Hamels, but Longoria did come up earlier in the topic. Cole's ERA over the past 3 seasons, has actually decreased as he goes along, going from 4.08 in '06, down to 3.39 in '07, and 3.09 this past season. Obviously, you can't really project that kind of statistic, based on 3 seasons (accurately anyways), but I think he just might continue that pattern, and he might have an ERA in the high 2s in '09. His record is 38-23, which converts to a .623 winning percentage, which is pretty fantastic. If he were to get 350 decisions in his career, he would go 218-132, a good 75 games over 500; which turns out to be 249-151 in 400 decisions (100 games over 500). Pretty impressive totals. I think in due time, Cole might get good enough totals to go into the hall....but he would need to pitch a long time to get to 400 decisions.

...How'd this become about the Phils again?

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Yes, I think he will develop the same power as Abreu had in his full glory. He will also have more stolen bases.
Same here.
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Right now the youngest player most likely to go to the hall for me is Hanley Ramirez: No need for reason.
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Mo and Jeter from the Yankees.
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post #19 of 29 (permalink) Old 07-24-2011, 12:22 PM
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1. Roy Halladay-Most dominant pitcher as of late.
2. CC Sabathia-He just keeps on winning games
3. Derek Jeter-3K Hits and counting.
4. Albert Pujols-Best hitter in the game.
5. Jose Bautista- This may be a bit of a homer pick, but at the rate he is hitting HR's he could get 500.
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Jamie Moyer should get in the Hall just because he was there for the dedication of it.
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