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Ky Cardinal 02-01-2007 12:23 PM

I don't like the fact that he bet on baseball, but the fact is he was one very good player. He set a terrific example on the field of hustle and determination. Although he made some bad choices off the field, as a player he has earned his way into the hall of fame.

DenverCubsFan 02-01-2007 03:35 PM

Pete Rose should absolutly be in the HOF!! My reasoning has nothin to do with what he did as a manager as others were saying. He is the all-time hit leader, an MVP, a World Series MVP, 17 time All-Star(at an un heard of 5 different positions) and he didn't use enhancements to do it.
On the other hand, guys like Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Mark Maguire, etc. should never reach the Hall because they accomplished what they did unnaturally and used enhancements to further their stats. Now if they had not used drugs would some of the names mentioned above still accomplish what they have, who knows? If these guys make the HOF then by all means Pete Rose deserves to be right there with them!!

NatsNSoxFan 02-01-2007 06:20 PM

In fairness to Bonds and Big Mac they were both good hitters before they bulked up.

BayAreaYankeeFan 02-01-2007 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmonahan7
In fairness to Bonds and Big Mac they were both good hitters before they bulked up.

Uhmm, Mcgwire a good hitter? He bulked up as soon as he met Canseco. By 1987 he was already noticably bigger from the previous year. He was a skinny nerd in 1986 before they became the part of the bash brothers.

Bonds without roids was better than McGwire on them. Better average, equal power, speed, fielding, arm...

apujols_5 02-01-2007 09:21 PM

ok, it does not matter what he did off the field if he gave up the hof...its not like someone said "oh u bet on baseball, ur ban from the hall." he gaveit up. its like saying i aced a test but i cheated to do it...by what u say it would only matter what i did on the test...not that i cheated on it...if he didn't give up the hall alot of us would prolly be talkin about how he doesn't belong there...its hard to say though...i'm stickin with my vote and sayin no

newsman90038 02-01-2007 11:16 PM

One of the biggest autrocities in sports history is the mlb keeping Rose out of the Hall of Fame. How do you ignore one of the most important records. I agree with you all

NatsNSoxFan 02-01-2007 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by apujols_5
ok, it does not matter what he did off the field if he gave up the hof...its not like someone said "oh u bet on baseball, ur ban from the hall." he gaveit up. its like saying i aced a test but i cheated to do it...by what u say it would only matter what i did on the test...not that i cheated on it...if he didn't give up the hall alot of us would prolly be talkin about how he doesn't belong there...its hard to say though...i'm stickin with my vote and sayin no

Okay, if you feel didnt do anything to help his performance on the field but just made one stupid decision off of it doesnt deserve to be in, then what do you think about Big Mac not making it and if Sammy and Barry should when their turns come up?

apujols_5 02-02-2007 12:11 AM

i also think no on them...it doesn't help that i have always hated bonds and sosa and i have hated mcguire since the hearing...but like i said i don't want them in either

johnsondc 02-02-2007 09:38 AM

It is my opinion that anyone dishonoring the game via betting on baseball, use of steroids to inflate personal performance should not be considered for the HOF. One difference in baseballs eyes is that if you bet on baseball games you are automatically banned no matter who you are or what you did. As apujols_5 stated. rose is the one who made the choice and is essence banned himself. He should not be rewarded for it.

BayAreaYankeeFan 02-02-2007 03:47 PM

I think we all can say that we subconciously knew that McGwire and Sosa were on something. I don't think we are too gullible to believe that lightning could strike twice with something that has only happened once in over acentury.

We fell for it and we should've known better, and all we did was eat it up. Some of us probably got all teary-eyed when McGwire bear hugged Sosa in St Louie... Or collected every single Canseco rookie card.

Alot of people sound annoyed or have this distaste for these guys, but remember we're the ones who pay their salary. We enjoyed every single minute of it. Bonds just felt uninvited and crashed the party. I think he deserves the HoF, he wasn't roiding till after Mac and Sosa fooled us all.


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