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buddlighter 02-21-2012 09:32 PM

20's-30's pitching?
 
I started thinking and was wondering, Were pitchers back in the olden days throwing as fast as pitchers modern time? And if not, what range difference would you give someone like me who is curious?

Yes i know, they didn't have radars back then.

JustinVerlander35 02-21-2012 09:44 PM

Funny you should mention this. A few weeks ago we were talking about this. There is a few youtube videos floating around of bob Feller and how they were clocking him to see how fast he could throw. The talent of pitching was not as good as it is today, but there was still A LOT of dominate pitching. Guys like Christy Masterson and Walter Johnson, could all throw up to 100 MPH.




buddlighter 02-21-2012 10:08 PM

That's just insanity. I was thinking anywhere from high 80's to low 90's but 98?? Thats just crazy. If i could just hit high 80's lolol! That is a pretty cool video though. Who would have thought that a motorcycle would have been used to test which was faster??

JustinVerlander35 02-21-2012 10:14 PM

I think Indian motorcycles are some of the best around. I know the old ones are really, really valuable from watching American Pickers.

Kelzzy 02-21-2012 10:41 PM

LOL! They used motorcyles to judge the speed of a pitch?!?!?! AWESOME!

buddlighter 02-21-2012 10:41 PM

So do you play in any type of league or is this just a hobby for you?

JustinVerlander35 02-21-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by buddlighter (Post 182911)
So do you play in any type of league or is this just a hobby for you?

I am just an avid baseball fan with hope and aspirations of becoming a sports writer.

Baseball is my passion, a hobby and something I hope to make a living out of. I wasn't graced with the most natural playing abilities. The only real highlights I have of playing baseball, is playing with friends on the diamond.

buddlighter 02-21-2012 10:57 PM

I think you speak for the majority of us when you say "natural abilities" including me. Glad to hear that somebody wants to do something in their life that they love to do for a change and not just for money. I wish you the best of luck in the near future my friend!

JustinVerlander35 02-21-2012 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by buddlighter (Post 182921)
I think you speak for the majority of us when you say "natural abilities" including me. Glad to hear that somebody wants to do something in their life that they love to do for a change and not just for money. I wish you the best of luck in the near future my friend!

Thank you!!! :handshake:

Kelzzy 02-21-2012 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by buddlighter (Post 182911)
So do you play in any type of league or is this just a hobby for you?

I play in American Legion.. it's awesome. What about you?

Kelzzy 02-21-2012 11:41 PM

Did you play LL or American Legion when you where a kid?

buddlighter 02-22-2012 05:20 PM

I play for myself. Used to play High School but quit when i couldn't stand playing for the disrespectful arrogant SOB coach. After i switched arms, i just continued to throw for fun. Sometimes its like a stress reliever just going outside and throwing even if your like me and you throw at a fence for an hour or so.

That is crazy about you though. Sounds like your pretty high up there. I looked up American LEgion baseball. What exactly is that? Sounds like a league of some sort. Is this like single A - Triple?(Even though i love the game of baseball, i know little about it)

Kelzzy 02-22-2012 09:21 PM

It's basically Highschool ball during the offseason of Highschool.. hahaha. It goes all the way up 18u

buddlighter 02-22-2012 09:53 PM

Gotcha! Sounds like fun. Told ya i don't know to much haha. So your in what year of high school? Baseball has just started it's first game last night down here. What about up there?

Kelzzy 02-23-2012 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by buddlighter (Post 183037)
Gotcha! Sounds like fun. Told ya i don't know to much haha. So your in what year of high school? Baseball has just started it's first game last night down here. What about up there?

We've been OFFICIALLY practicing w/ the American Legion team ever since tryouts ended.. which were in January. I know our first game of the season is verrry soon.. some time in March.. can't wait!!

Dizzy Dean 17 08-20-2013 05:24 PM

Different Era, Different Approach, Same Job...
 
I am no pitching coach, but I will say that the level of pitching was still very good back 80-90 years ago. The offense of the game was off the charts back then, a complete 180 from the Dead Ball Era, however there were still many very fine pitchers who threw very hard. These guys would throw in the mid to upper 90s, but didn't have all the access to proper conditioning, training, nutrition, medication, coaching, etc that we have today. We have learned over time, and these early greats didn't have the luxury of the specialization that we have today.

Guys like Dizzy Dean, Carl Hubbell, Dazzy Vance, Lefty Grove, Lefty Gomez, etc were all great pitchers whose career stats were skewed due to the league they played in and its emphasis on offense. Take a look at many of those aces back in the day, they were typically the team's "closer" as well. Of course, that term and saves didn't exist back then, but MGRs used their best pitchers in relief quite often back then. I'll use Dizzy Dean as an example, based off his stats from baseball-reference.com:

From 1932-1937 (before the broken toe in the All Star Game, DAMN YOU Earl Averill!!!), Ol' Diz was the premier strikeout pitcher in the NL. He led the league in Ks from 1932-1935 (totals in order - 191, 199, 195, 190) and was second in 1936 (195). The game back then was a lot different, with .400 hitters and the whole NL as a league hit over .300 in 1930.

Anyway, as the Cardinals only great pitcher and ace, Dizzy had game started (GS) totals of (again, in order from '32-'37: 33, 34, 33, 34, and 25, however he also pitched in relief and added these totals as reliever: 13, 14, 17, 14, 17, 2.

He led the NL in wins twice ('34 and '35), CG 3 times ('33, '35, '36) and saves once ('36). Imagine today if a Justin Verlander or an Adam Wainwright was not only leading his team (or league) in wins, CG, IP SHO and K, but ALSO in SAVES!?! Here are Dizzy's wins and saves totals for 1932-1937 (led NL in bold):

1932 - 18 W, 2 SV
1933 - 20 W, 4 SV
1934 - 30 W, 7 SV
1935 - 28 W, 5 SV
1936 - 24 W, 11 SV
1937 - 13 W, 1 SV

Lefty Grove also pitched during this time, and is considered by many as possibly the greatest pitcher of all time.


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