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post #11 of 20 (permalink) Old 08-01-2008, 10:31 AM
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November 13, 2003 – The San Francisco Giants trade pitchers Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, and BLEEP Bonser to Twins for A.J. Pierzynski

That's not that bad of a trade, now.

Nathan is good yeah, but Liriano has had health issues and hasn't been anything spectacular, and Bonser is a name that not too many people outside of the Twin-
Cities area know who he is.

Yeah, AJ wasn't there for that long, but he did help get them to the WS in 2002.

Isn't considered a great trade, but it really isn't one of the worst in baseball history.
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Ken Griffey Jr. trade

It was a terrible trade for the Reds!!!!!
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November 13, 2003 – The San Francisco Giants trade pitchers Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano, and BLEEP Bonser to Twins for A.J. Pierzynski

That's not that bad of a trade, now.

Nathan is good yeah, but Liriano has had health issues and hasn't been anything spectacular, and Bonser is a name that not too many people outside of the Twin-
Cities area know who he is.

Yeah, AJ wasn't there for that long, but he did help get them to the WS in 2002.

Isn't considered a great trade, but it really isn't one of the worst in baseball history.
Pierzynski was only on the Giants for the 2004 season - a season in which they did not make the playoffs. Since the trade, the Giants have not made the playoffs, had trouble finding a consistent closer, and have finished below .500 three times (and will finish as such for a fourth time this season).

The Twins, on the other hand, have made the playoffs twice, and done quite well overall. Here's a glance at the production Nathan and Liriano have given the Twins:

Joe Nathan
19-8, 190 SV, 1.84 ERA, 11.2 K/9
Francisco Liriano
14-8, 3.19 ERA, 10.57 K/9
In considering this, also remember that Joe Nathan is only 33, Liriano 24, and Bonser 26. The Twins should get at least another ten years (total) from this trifecta - and Nathan has already been, perhaps, the most consistent closer in the majors since coming over to Minnesota.
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It was a terrible trade for the Reds!!!!!
It wasn't that bad... ever heard of Prospects?
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Here's a deal that should, in my mind, have made the cut:

In 1992, the Cincinnati Reds traded Paul O'Neill to the New York Yankees for Roberto Kelly

Let's take a look at how the two stack up, following the trade:

Paul O'Neill - .303/.380/.492, 720 R, 185 HR, 858 RBI, 80 SB, 4 WS
Roberto Kelly - .298/.337/.446, 367 R, 68 HR, 237 RBI, 84 SB, 0 WS

So... O'Neill gave the Yankees wonderful production from 1993 to 2001. Kelly gave the Reds all of 78 games, then had a middling career until retiring midway through the 2000 season.
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2004- New York Mets trade Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano
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yeah... the top 3 worst ones IMO are:


#1. Grady Sizemore, Brandon Phillips, and Cliff Lee for Bartolo Colon....

#2. Scott Kazmir (and another player I think) for Victor Zambrano

#3. Dan Haren, Darrick Barton, and Kiko Calero for Mark Mulder
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What about the Cardinals trading pitcher Steve Carlton to the Phillies for pitcher Rick Wise? Carlton was our number 2 man behind Gibson, and ace of the future. Rick Wise did end up winning close to 200 career games, and had that nice 2 HR no-hitter day for the Phils, but he didn't do much in St. Louis! To his defense, the Cardinals those two years were NOT that good. Carlton would win the NL Cy Young award and go 27-10 for the last place Phillies, and later pitch them to two World Series (1980, 1983) and they would win the first Series in franchise history in 1980.

Carlton also beat the crap out of his old team just about every time he pitched against us after that trade. And he was on the bench during the 1987 World Series (Twins didn't have him on the postseason roster, by then he really should have retired...), when the Twins beat his old team, the Cardinals, 4 games to 3. Lefty was one of the greats of his generation, and was briefly the all time strikeout king, after passing Nolan Ryan not long after Ryan passed Walter Johnson.

That was a far worse trade than MANY of them mentioned in that article.
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Some other guys the Cardinals traded off, let go, didn't re-sign, or watched leave to another league in the 19th Century were: Johnny Mize, Preacher Roe, Enos Slaughter, Red Shoendienst, Rogers Hornsby, Dizzy Dean, Joe Medwick, Jim Bottomley, Walker Cooper, Keith Hernandez, Jerry Reuss, Willie McGee, John Tudor, Tom Herr, Dan Haren, Jose Cruz, Silver King, Tip O'Neill, Dave Foutz, Bob caruthers, Arlie Latham, Dummy Hoy, Marty Marion, Garry Templeton, Jack Clark, Lee Smith, and on and on.

Some of these deals were great, we got Frisch for Hornsby for example. And Ozzie for Tempy. Keith went to the rival Mets during an era where either team would win the NL East each year from 1985-1988, but we signed Clark. Herr brought in Bruno when Bob Horner (who was signed to be the 1 power guy in the lineup when Clark left) failed.

No excuse for getting rid of the Big Cat - Johnny Mize, or Joe Medwick (who helped our biggest rival of the 1940s the Brooklyn Dodgers knock the Cards out of contention a year later). Preacher Roe was traded off in that same decade, but we had an unbelievable amount of solid pitching then even with so many going off to war. Reuss was a lefty who would win around 200 games, and he was traded off as a young kid in the early 70s because he wanted to grow facial hair! Not a couple seasons later, and the Cardinals allowed guys to grow facial hair. Stupid. Reggie Smith and Jose Cruz were traded off then too, actually Cruz was sold off cheap to the Astros where he would be a star.

Every team makes bad moves. Some are clearly worse than others! I still say the Steve Carlton trade may be the Cardinals worst ever, but I may have to look a bit deeper into the Johnny Mize trade and get here...
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I'd say the John Olerud trade to the Mets worked out terrible for Toronto after 1996.
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