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ABuccsFan · 02-17-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NatsNSoxFan

i never said he was a good fielder.

I would expect a first ballot HoF'r to at least be an all around good player. Manny borders on sucking when it comes to fielding. He never gives 100% effort. He jogs to first on a routine grounder. Of course we can't forget the time he just turned around and walked out of the batter's box back to the dugout, and didn't even run out the grounder. That's not 1st ballot at least in my mind. I hope the voters share my opinion.

NatsNSoxFan · 02-19-2007, 01:16 PM

he is one of the best right handed hitters in baseball right now and ever.

johnsondc · 02-19-2007, 04:10 PM

Agreed, but being a position player in baseball is not just about hitting.

NatsNSoxFan · 02-19-2007, 04:16 PM

I know that. But when a players offensive numbers are as off the charts as Manny's are then the fielding doesnt really matter because for every run his glove lets up his bat makes up for with another 5-10. Its not like hes the worst outfielder in baseball either, hes in the slightly below average to average range.

Orioles07 · 02-20-2007, 02:15 AM

I disagree that Cal was overrated. And it's not just because I'm an Orioles fan.

Yes, his numbers in the regular season and the postseason aren't anywhere near that of Gehrig or Jeter, but he did revolutionize the new era of SS with power. Prior to Cal, there weren't many other SS whose main thing was hitting for power, outside of Ernie Banks.

The simple fact that he did play every day speaks to his reliability and versatility. He went through his slumps, as does every player, but rarely did he ever have an offensive slump and a defensive slump simultaneously.

And if we're discussing whether a player is great because of his regular season and postseason numbers, what about Banks? 512 regular season HR, never got to the World Series because he was on some awful Cubs teams, just as Cal was on some awful Orioles teams(1988 anyone?).

Cal not only spent his entire career as an Oriole; he was also a hometown kid, growing up in Havre de Grace, a short distance from Baltimore.

Personally, I don't consider Jeter, Cal or Banks overrated; they were each great in their own way.

W_Marone · 02-26-2007, 06:10 PM

Garrett Atkins is quite possibly the most underrated player in baseball today...

NatsNSoxFan · 02-26-2007, 07:47 PM

i wouldnt disagree with that.

W_Marone · 02-26-2007, 07:47 PM

who would you put in there? In current players? Who is more underrated, and please dont name one yankee.

NatsNSoxFan · 02-26-2007, 07:53 PM

i said that i WOULDN'T disagree, meaning that i agreed. and i hate the yankees so don't worry about that. i would say Alex Cintron is pretty underrated, also Orlando Hudson is underrated. Overrated i may have already said but i think that Eckstein gets so much publicity for being underrated i think it makes him overrated.