On the contrary.
Longevity does make a player great. To be able to play at the highest level for a long time is a positive trait that noone should overlook. Think of how many players started out tearing up the league (Darryl Strawberry, Mo Vaughn, Ron Kittle, etc.), only to falter later in thier career. Players like Ripken and Winfield and Yastrzemski constantly worked on thier game. They adjusted to new pitchers, people with years of scouting reports, age, and seasons of wear-and-tear. To be able to overcome that and still produce at a major league level is amazing.
So I guess Alou and Franco are great?
Look I think theres just too many SS out right now that are just way better than Ripken was.
I guess he led the renaissance of the taller, stronger and faster shortstops. We have so many SS now that do things better than Cal did. Other than the streak he's not better than a handful of SS out today.
He's just a fan favorite in my eyes and maybe this is why he is held in such high regards.
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You can't get into the Hall of Fame on hype and just being a fan favorite. Playing as many consecutive games as he did is a major accomplishment. You cannot say that a man with over 3,000 hits and over 400 homeruns is overrated, it is insane.
The Alou/Franco comparison is ridiculous. Alou is a great player, i think, and Franco hasnt played in the majors his whole life so thats different, hes played in mexico, japan if im not mistaken, and the minors quite a bit.
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Look I think theres just too many SS out right now that are just way better than Ripken was.
I guess he led the renaissance of the taller, stronger and faster shortstops. We have so many SS now that do things better than Cal did. Other than the streak he's not better than a handful of SS out today.
He's just a fan favorite in my eyes and maybe this is why he is held in such high regards.
I said play at a high level, not take up space for 20 years.
Aslo, you can't compare players who play today with players of the 80's. The ball is juiced, the players are juiced, the ballparks are tiny, the pitching talent is thinned out, training methods are improved,etc. A shortstop hitting 20 HRs in 1984 is like one hitting 45 these days.
I said play at a high level, not take up space for 20 years.
Aslo, you can't compare players who play today with players of the 80's. The ball is juiced, the players are juiced, the ballparks are tiny, the pitching talent is thinned out, training methods are improved,etc. A shortstop hitting 20 HRs in 1984 is like one hitting 45 these days.
I understand what you're saying and I commented on that. All I'm saying, compared to this generation, Cal is the norm. Lets not forget either that he's just one generation removed from A-Rod, Jeter, Nomar and Tejada's. These guys have posted equal/better career stats than Cal.
I said play at a high level, not take up space for 20 years.
Aslo, you can't compare players who play today with players of the 80's. The ball is juiced, the players are juiced, the ballparks are tiny, the pitching talent is thinned out, training methods are improved,etc. A shortstop hitting 20 HRs in 1984 is like one hitting 45 these days.
If you wish, go back and look at the oh so many truly great shortstops in the decades before Cal. When the ballparks where even bigger, the ball was even less juiced, juice to a player was orange, and the training method was a hotdog and a beer.
I would have to say a-rod is over rated just because his performance is so up and down. One game he can be tearing it up on the field and bat and then the next he could go 0-3 with 2 so.
I would have to say a-rod is over rated just because his performance is so up and down. One game he can be tearing it up on the field and bat and then the next he could go 0-3 with 2 so.
He's a career .305 hitter. Baseball is a game of failure. If you safely hit in 3 out 10 ABs then you're a HoFer...
What you just posted can be safely said about every single player that has ever played the game.
He's a career .305 hitter. Baseball is a game of failure. If you safely hit in 3 out 10 ABs then you're a HoFer...
What you just posted can be safely said about every single player that has ever played the game.
Its not neccesarily true that if you have a .300 career average then you're in the HoF. My most overrated would have to be David Eckstein he gets so much publicity for being underrated that i think it makes him overrated. I also hate the guy so maybe im biased
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He's a career .305 hitter. Baseball is a game of failure. If you safely hit in 3 out 10 ABs then you're a HoFer...
What you just posted can be safely said about every single player that has ever played the game.
There is a difference between .300 hitters. The great ones lead their team to pennants and produce in the clutch, the others do not lead their team to pennants and do not produce in the clutch. Looking at just individual stats will lead to the poor house and a team of possible losers.
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