[SLagonia]

Originally Posted by W_Marone

And honeslty...I discredit anyone's baseball knowledge who says Utley would not start if he was on the Yankees.

Really? Because I can't think of a player he'd start over.

I like Utley, and I loved the trade rumors that were bringing him here in exchange for A-Rod (which would give him a place to play), but he'd never start over Damon, Abreu, Matsui, Cano or Rodriguez

[NatsNSoxFan]

For one thing Utley wouldn't start over Matsui, Abreu or Damon because he wouldn't play the OF. I agree that he wouldn't start over A-Rod or Jeter either. He would almost certainly start over Cano, Torre knows that Utley is a better player than Cano and would start the player that gives him the best chance to win.

[SLagonia]

Originally Posted by NatsNSoxFan

For one thing Utley wouldn't start over Matsui, Abreu or Damon because he wouldn't play the OF. I agree that he wouldn't start over A-Rod or Jeter either. He would almost certainly start over Cano, Torre knows that Utley is a better player than Cano and would start the player that gives him the best chance to win.

Utley has power, but he's more than 40 points below Cano in average last year, and Cano is an up-in-coming defensive star. Utley also strikes out far too much

[NatsNSoxFan]

Utley only had 10 more K's than Cano but about 50 more walks so there goes that arguement. Utley is more durable than Cano, if Cano had player 140-155 games his BA probably wouldn't have been as high. Utley reaches base more than Cano does as is evident by his .362 OBP compared to Cano's .342, and i personally think that OBP is just as important, if not more so, than average. Utley is also a more balanced player than Cano is. Utley has excellent power, hits for a .300 average, collects plenty of RBI's, hustles his ass off, plays good enough defense, will get some stolen bases, won't ground into many DP's (only 9 last year in 150+ games), gets lots of hits and doubles, and is simply a more complete player. His team has a good chance of making the playoffs this year too.

Stop overhyping your own players, everything i just said absolutely screams that Utley is a better player than Cano in about every facet of the game besides defense.

[johnsondc]

Originally Posted by NatsNSoxFan

For one thing Utley wouldn't start over Matsui, Abreu or Damon because he wouldn't play the OF. I agree that he wouldn't start over A-Rod or Jeter either. He would almost certainly start over Cano, Torre knows that Utley is a better player than Cano and would start the player that gives him the best chance to win.

I didn't know Joe Torre was communicating with you. But in reality if the real Joe Torre did communicate with you, he would tell you in no uncertain terms that Cano would start over Utley. As you stated Torre would start the player that would give him the best chance to win. That would be Cano, who has proven he can help his team to the playoffs in the superior league, over Utley who has yet to prove he can help his team to the playoffs in the inferior league.

[johnsondc]

Originally Posted by NatsNSoxFan

Stop overhyping your own players, everything i just said absolutely screams that Utley is a better player than Cano in about every facet of the game besides defense.

You keep repeating the same old nonsense over and over, individual stat this, individual stat that.
One problem, Utley hasn't done what the games are played for...help lead his team to the playoffs. So you take your individual stats and bury them, never mind, use them in the fantasy world, that is where they may mean something. I'd rather go the playoffs with Cano.

[NatsNSoxFan]

Honestly look at who else is on that team. Jeter, A-Rod, Abreu, Giambi, Matsui, Posada, Damon, Mariano, Mussina. Thats an allstar team right there with a few more starters. Utley has Ryan Howard, Jimmy Rollins, and Brett Myers. Anyone of the guys on the Yankees could be given credit for the winning by that logic, not just Cano. Its Utley, Howard and Rollins for the Phils, put anyone of the guys on the Yankees on the Phils and this is a whole new conversation.

I'm sure Torre would start Utley over Cano, he brings a lot more to the table than Cano.

[SLagonia]

Originally Posted by NatsNSoxFan

Utley is more durable than Cano,

How can you say that? He's had one injury in his proffessional career, and it was short-lived!

[NatsNSoxFan]

he missed like 30 games. that is not short lived, that is a month worth of games.

[SLagonia]

Originally Posted by NatsNSoxFan

he missed like 30 games. that is not short lived, that is a month worth of games.

By that logic, Jeter is injury prone. In his proffessional career, he's had one injury that kept him out about 30 days