View Poll Results: Should Pete Rose be in the HOF?

apujols_5 · 07-29-2006, 10:24 AM

vote and discuss.

I think based purely on the way he played the game, he should be in the HOF. No doubt about it imo.

i definitley think he should be in the HOF. i mean his stats are just too good, 4256 hits, 3562 games playes, 3 world series, 17 allstar appearences, and the list goes on....
he had my vote

I still say no after all of these years.i dont see baseball putting joe jackson in the hall of fame after all of these years. there is more to this than roses stats.

true there is. But I am curious, should Bonds, Sosa and McGuire ever be in the HOF? They took illegal substances? I would be willing to bet money that they will be. If so, they broke the law. How is what Pete did any different than what they did? I like those players by the way!

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Originally Posted by truebluefan

true there is. But I am curious, should Bonds, Sosa and McGuire ever be in the HOF? They took illegal substances? I would be willing to bet money that they will be. If so, they broke the law. How is what Pete did any different than what they did? I like those players by the way!

agreed! but u forgot palmeiro. what about criminal offenses too? like darryl strawberry should never be inducted for beating his wife.
o and the unit for cutting off his mullet.

I think there is no question he should be in the HOF. How are you not going to recognize the all-time leader in hits. And like Truebluefan stated, does this mean Palmeiro and McGwire dont get in? I think Rose should get in before those guys, considering he didnt have to cheat to accomplish these records.

i always based my opions on how they played and what they did for their team while they were playing. Not what they did after because he wasn't playing even though he still was associated with Major League Baseball.

These are my reasons for saying NO:

On April 21, 1990, Rose pleaded guilty to two charges of filing false income tax returns not showing income he received from selling autographs, memorabilia, and from horse racing winnings. On July 20 Rose was sentenced to five months in federal prison and fined $50,000, being released on January 7, 1991, after having paid $366,041 in back taxes and interest.

By the 1980s, Rose was gambling heavily on several sports, and by most accounts lost large sums. Amid reports that Rose had bet on baseball while Reds manager, he was questioned in February 1989 by outgoing commissioner Peter Ueberroth and his replacement, Bart Giamatti. Three days later, lawyer John Dowd was retained to investigate charges against Rose. A March 21, 1989, Sports Illustrated article tied him to baseball gambling.

The Dowd Report asserted that Rose bet on 52 Reds games in 1987, at a minimum of $10,000 a day. On August 24, 1989, he voluntarily accepted a permanent place on baseball’s ineligible list. Rose accepted that there was a material reason for the ban; in return, Major League Baseball agreed to make no finding of fact with regard to the gambling allegations and on the provision that baseball would cease exploring Rose's activities, and that after one year Rose could reapply for reinstatement. In addition, the agreement explicitly stated that Rose was neither admitting nor denying any wrongdoing. Rose, with a 412-373 record, was replaced as Reds manager by Tommy Helms.

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Bravesfan4LIFE33 · 08-03-2006, 11:52 PM

im going to say he should be inducted into the HOF off of his stats...regardless of what he did off the field you cant take away what he did on the field...but thats JMO...also about the mark mcGwire statement...he did indeed take steroids but i believe he did that before there was a rule stating that you are not allowed to take performance enhancing drugs...correct me if im wrong...

BLACK SOX 1919 · 08-23-2006, 02:38 AM

i think if you bet as a player and rig a game or take performance enhancing drugs than your HOF status should be ripped right away, but what Rose did was as a manager and should not take away what he did as a player. You can hate as a person or whatever but he was a great player. We wouldnt be having this discussion if he would have come out immediatley, hed be in the hall by now and there would no arguments

apujols_5 · 08-23-2006, 09:45 PM

ok...why does this say i started this thread...i have never posted a thing on this part of the forum

BLACK SOX 1919 · 08-24-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by apujols_5

ok...why does this say i started this thread...i have never posted a thing on this part of the forum

you didnt write that huge long post up top

apujols_5 · 08-24-2006, 05:40 PM

no i never type more than 10 lines at one time...lol

apujols_5 · 08-24-2006, 05:41 PM

and i wasn't even a member until like 5 days later

**nyjyrk** · 09-17-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BLACK SOX 1919

......what Rose did was as a manager and should not take away what he did as a player.

I think this is the key argument that Rose should be presenting for a partial reinstatement.
I say keep the participation ban in place (no jobs in baseball including Manager) but what he did as a player was clearly HOF material. How can you consider it a true hall of fame without the alltime hits leader? What he did as a manager was shameful, I believe anyone would agree, but it's al;most equally shameful to have anyone else be considered elite without including him in the same conversation.

apujols_5 · 09-23-2006, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by nyjyrk

I think this is the key argument that Rose should be presenting for a partial reinstatement.
I say keep the participation ban in place (no jobs in baseball including Manager) but what he did as a player was clearly HOF material. How can you consider it a true hall of fame without the alltime hits leader? What he did as a manager was shameful, I believe anyone would agree, but it's al;most equally shameful to have anyone else be considered elite without including him in the same conversation.

It doesn't matter wat he did as a manager except that the gave up the right to be inducted so he would face fines or jail time for betting. i don't comletely agree with it but i don't think he should be inducted